{"id":11122,"date":"2026-05-20T10:00:33","date_gmt":"2026-05-20T17:00:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/billbymel.com\/Staging\/?page_id=11122"},"modified":"2026-05-20T10:52:42","modified_gmt":"2026-05-20T17:52:42","slug":"may-20-2026-bill-bymel-debt-doctor-with-shlomo-chopp-distressed-commercial-real-estate","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/billbymel.com\/Staging\/may-20-2026-bill-bymel-debt-doctor-with-shlomo-chopp-distressed-commercial-real-estate\/","title":{"rendered":"DD Podcast-Episode-63"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wpb-content-wrapper\">[vc_row][vc_column][mk_padding_divider size=&#8221;100&#8243;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][mk_page_section bg_color=&#8221;#f3f3f3&#8243; min_height=&#8221;0&#8243; el_class=&#8221;banner_bg&#8221; sidebar=&#8221;sidebar-1&#8243;][vc_column][vc_row_inner css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1692700055217{margin-bottom: 0px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1692700028762{margin-bottom: 0px !important;}&#8221;][vc_single_image image=&#8221;11125&#8243; 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css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1779299556915{margin-bottom: 0px !important;}&#8221;]\n<h3 class=\"text-center\">ABOUT THE EPISODE<\/h3>\n<p>The deals collapsing in today&#8217;s commercial real estate market aren&#8217;t failing because of bad assets. They&#8217;re failing at the negotiating table and usually because of moves the borrower didn&#8217;t know were fatal.<\/p>\n<p>Shlomo Chopp has restructured some of the most complex distressed commercial real estate workouts in the country. He joins Bill to talk about what actually saves a deal when a loan goes sideways and why the instinct to draw hard lines with your lender is often the move that ends everything.<\/p>\n<p>What separates a workout from a wipeout isn&#8217;t the asset. It&#8217;s whether you understand who&#8217;s sitting across the table \u2014 their incentives, their constraints, their pressure points \u2014 and whether you can communicate in a way that opens doors instead of slamming them.<\/p>\n<p>Banks aren&#8217;t trying to foreclose. They&#8217;re trying to recover maximum proceeds. Walk in knowing that, and the whole conversation changes. Shlomo walks through what that looks like at every level \u2014 banks, private lenders, CMBS bond managers \u2014 the motivations differ, and so does the playbook.<\/p>\n<p>Having the right team on your side of the table determines whether you walk out with a deal or a default. He also makes the case that your toughest workout might be the best off-market deal hiding in your portfolio right now.<\/p>\n<p>About Our Guest:<br \/>\nShlomo Chopp is the Managing Partner of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.caseinv.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CASE Equity Partners<\/a> commercial real estate investment and advisory, specializing in crafting solutions for distressed property and debt situations while developing innovative strategies for repositioning assets. Shlomo founded the advisory to help borrowers and guarantors navigate the challenges of distressed real estate loans in today\u2019s complex and interconnected capital markets. Connect further with Shlomo on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/chopp\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\ud83d\udcf2 Watch the full conversation and share your take in the comments.<\/p>\n<p>\ud83c\udfa7 Also available to listen on your favorite podcast platform.<\/p>\n<p>\ud83d\udd14 Subscribe to stay informed on the trends and strategies reshaping the distressed debt market and for weekly investor intelligence insights on distressed debt, loan resolution, and smart investing that builds both wealth and impact.<\/p>\n<p>\ud83d\udc49 If you enjoy what you hear please share.<\/p>\n<p>First Lien Capital specializes in distressed debt and mortgage workout strategies on residential and commercial real estate. First Lien Resolutions provides Special Assets expertise to banks and funds on portfolio risk, recovery strategies, and profitable arbitrage.<\/p>\n<p>Schedule a consultation with Bill Bymel to <a href=\"http:\/\/billbymel.com\/Staging\/advisor\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">REVIVE<\/a> your portfolio today\u2060\u2060\u2060.<\/p>\n<p>The Storm: Markets Meet Mother Nature is officially released and available at Amazon and other major retailers: <a href=\"https:\/\/a.co\/d\/0gPB0yrY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/a.co\/d\/0gPB0yrY<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This book and its concepts are drawn from decades of work across real estate, mortgage portfolios, distressed debt, and special assets to open the conversation of how converging forces are reshaping markets and offering the framework for investors and institutions to navigate what comes next.<\/p>\n<p>Stay connected with Bill Bymel: <a href=\"https:\/\/linktr.ee\/billbymel\" target=\"_blank\" 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They&#8217;re failing at the negotiating table and usually because of moves the borrower didn&#8217;t know were fatal. Shlomo Chopp has restructured some of the most complex distressed commercial real estate workouts in the country. He joins Bill to talk about what actually saves a deal when a loan goes sideways and why the instinct to draw hard lines with your lender is often the move that ends everything. What separates a workout from a wipeout isn&#8217;t the asset. It&#8217;s whether you understand who&#8217;s sitting across the table \u2014 their incentives, their constraints, their pressure points \u2014 and whether you can communicate in a way that opens doors instead of slamming them. Banks aren&#8217;t trying to foreclose. They&#8217;re trying to recover maximum proceeds. Walk in knowing that, and the whole conversation changes. Shlomo walks through what that looks like at every level \u2014 banks, private lenders, CMBS bond managers \u2014 the motivations differ, and so does the playbook. Having the right team on your side of the table determines whether you walk out with a deal or a default. He also makes the case that your toughest workout might be the best off-market deal hiding in your portfolio right now. About Our Guest: Shlomo Chopp is the Managing Partner of CASE Equity Partners commercial real estate investment and advisory, specializing in crafting solutions for distressed property and debt situations while developing innovative strategies for repositioning assets. Shlomo founded the advisory to help borrowers and guarantors navigate the challenges of distressed real estate loans in today\u2019s complex and interconnected capital markets. Connect further with Shlomo on LinkedIn. \ud83d\udcf2 Watch the full conversation and share your take in the comments. \ud83c\udfa7 Also available to listen on your favorite podcast platform. \ud83d\udd14 Subscribe to stay informed on the trends and strategies reshaping the distressed debt market and for weekly investor intelligence insights on distressed debt, loan resolution, and smart investing that builds both wealth and impact. \ud83d\udc49 If you enjoy what you hear please share. First Lien Capital specializes in distressed debt and mortgage workout strategies on residential and commercial real estate. First Lien Resolutions provides Special Assets expertise to banks and funds on portfolio risk, recovery strategies, and profitable arbitrage. Schedule a consultation with Bill Bymel to REVIVE your portfolio today\u2060\u2060\u2060. The Storm: Markets Meet Mother Nature is officially released and available at Amazon and other major retailers: https:\/\/a.co\/d\/0gPB0yrY This book and its concepts are drawn from decades of work across real estate, mortgage portfolios, distressed debt, and special assets to open the conversation of how converging forces are reshaping markets and offering the framework for investors and institutions to navigate what comes next. Stay connected with Bill Bymel: https:\/\/linktr.ee\/billbymel To advertise with Debt Doctor or request a podcast topic, please email podcast@billbybmel.com. The music in this video is copyrighted and used with permission. 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